Painting Vs Vinyl Siding
I'm putting together a bid offer for a house here in MI tat will need either new vinyl siding or paint on the old aluminum siding since I'm in MI I would assume painting is out of the question for a while until the weather hits a consisitent milder range ????
I would also like to get an idea of ballpark numbers for cost of painting vs vinyl siding. Does anyone have a formula they use per sqare foot of surface area for the two options? I realize prices could vary quite a bit from area to area....
Thanks in advance for everyones support...
New siding is approx 2 - 3 times more than a paint job on a house. Keep in mind this is pros. You can buy the material for around $100/square give or take
Myfrogger,
Is labor approximately the same per sqare to install it?
I came across this article.
http://www.realtor.org/rmomag.NSF/pages/costvaluedec02k
It would be cheaper to paint, but if you rip off that alum siding you can get a pretty penny for it at the recycling center. So much that it will cover a significant portion of your vinyl costs.
Just a thought.
telemon,
Great point. I called a local recycling center and they said currently thay are paying $.36 a lb. ...
Have any idea how much the siding off of a 800 sq ft ranch style home would weigh?
When I lived in the northland, I found that an acid wash (pressure wash with acid)of aluminum siding was dirt cheap and cleaned the siding up to the point of looking almost like a new paint job.
Now I live in stuccoland. If you don't know what you're doing here, boy can you get stuccoed!!
I have a feeling that if you take a moment and let your fingers do the walking within 20 minutes you can have a ball park figure on both siding and painting, and they are going to be so far apart that you will have a very difinitive answer and will never consider one of them again.
Rehabinator,
I assuming that's gonna be the painting option...but I'll have to wait for 3 or 4 months now to get that done when the weather warms...right?
Do not paint in the snow or rain or really humid or below 32 degrees. If it gets warm enough during the day you can paint with water base that will dry faster. Should be able to hire a crew to paint the house for $800 to $1000 including paint unless it is peeling really bad then add a few hundred more.
Good LUCK and HAPPY HOLIDAYS
Hope this helps some
Ted Jr
You can paint in the winter. Don't use latex paint (water based) water and cold temperatures don't mix. The lowest temperature you should ever paint with latex is around 50 degrees, and that is still going to result in 'issues' - shortened life of paint, condensation issues, crackling, etc.
With oil based you can apply down to 20 degrees.(that is below freezing!) Oil has no water so you are still just dealing with the evaporation process painting with it. However while 20 degrees is the threshold just like painting latex at 50 degrees you are going to have 'issues'
But you should have very successful results in the 40 degrees and above temperature range. Keep in mind this is surface temperature and not air temperature. The surface is going to take longer to heat and will probably be 10 degrees behind the air temp. Also keep in mind the sun, if the sun is shining on the surface of the house the surface could be 10 degrees warmer than the air, if the house is in shadow, 10 degrees cooler.
Also keep in mind that the paint is going to not act like you are used to at 70 degrees, it is not going to level the same and is going to be very thick and strange on the brush, but it will work.
I also seem to remember that there might be an additive that you can mix with the paint to help it out. Floetrol is for latex, but there is a sister product for oil but I can't remember the name, ask somebody who knows something at a paint store and they can get you going in the right direction.
Penetrol is the sister product for oil based paint to make it flow better and lay down without brush lines.
I wouldn't paint anything in under 45-50 degree weather even with oil based paint. And at that I would have it thinned way out with paint thinner.
Oil base won't freeze but it won't dry right away either, at 20 it could take weeks to dry.
800sf is tiny and at .36 lb for aluminum I wouldn't count on very much money. 10' of 8" siding weighs +-2lbs. If it was really worth anything I would have been stripping and selling it for years. It is usually just not worth the hassle in such small amounts.
I will try and include a siding scale for $ amounts that should be close if you add +15% profit and overhead for a contractor.
WInter rehab projects have to be carefully thought out and additional holding costs need to be calculated in.
If pressure washing would give good results I would try that first (hot wash).
The rehabinator is right that you can paint in colder temperatures with oil based paint but it doesn't mean that it is easy or that the job will be a professional looking one at 20 degrees.
"Solid vinyl siding"
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"Craft@Hrs","Unit","Material","Labor","Total"
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"Vinyl Siding"
Solid vinyl, .040", horizontal siding SM@.026 SF 0.77 1.20 1.97
Add for insulated siding backer panel SM@.001 SF 0.16 0.05 0.21
Vinyl window and door trim SM@.040 LF 0.27 1.84 2.11
Vinyl siding and fascia system SM@.032 SF 0.79 1.47 2.26
Painting will be between .50 and .75 sf for the exterior for an economy paint job of one or two coats. Shop around, most jurisdictions don't worry about permits for painting so you can hire some highschoolers or college students to help you out (under supervision
Luck!