System building is an engineered factory manufactured house system using panels which are connected at the job site. They are cheaper to build because they are built in a factory,using less skilled workers. If the system is well engineered they are often better than stick built.
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On 2004-04-26 00:40, MichaelChandler wrote:
System building is an engineered factory manufactured house system using panels which are connected at the job site. They are cheaper to build because they are built in a factory,using less skilled workers. If the system is well engineered they are often better than stick built.
Hello Michael,
I mean no disrespect but isn't the statement you made somewhat contradictory, "less skilled workers....often built better." I have seen many types of manufactured housing, yet I haven't come across anything built nearly as well as the site built homes we do. I have never understood how something factory built and traveled via semi can be as good or better, so they say, than a site built home, especially in Michigan as terrible as the roads are *L* Perhaps I just have my step-fathers old school attitude as he has framed homes for over 45 years and has seen more than his share of the various types of building. ....
its the new way of being able to put up a huge housing development in a few months. get the base, pipes, electric etc,....assemble the house (with quality) like legos.
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On 2004-04-27 22:18, TomC_MI wrote:
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On 2004-04-26 00:40, MichaelChandler wrote:
System building is an engineered factory manufactured house system using panels which are connected at the job site. They are cheaper to build because they are built in a factory,using less skilled workers. If the system is well engineered they are often better than stick built.
Hello Michael,
I mean no disrespect but isn't the statement you made somewhat contradictory, "less skilled workers....often built better." I have seen many types of manufactured housing, yet I haven't come across anything built nearly as well as the site built homes we do. I have never understood how something factory built and traveled via semi can be as good or better, so they say, than a site built home, especially in Michigan as terrible as the roads are *L* Perhaps I just have my step-fathers old school attitude as he has framed homes for over 45 years and has seen more than his share of the various types of building. ....
Tom,When you build in a plant/factory you have better control over quality control. Michigan Detroit in particular has been the automotive manufacturing hub for many years. I started in construction during high school on a framing crew as a nail driver,when we actually used a hammer. Not knocking ground up/stick building because this is the way I build upper bracket houses. Most of the people who work for my sub-contractors earn $25.00 and up per hour. In most of these plants the workers earn between $8.00-$15.00 per hour.
I guess in theory you should have better QC in a factory. I guess if manufactured housing fits the area why not. Personally I just can't see doing it myself. I suppose we could debate this one for years but I will let it go at that. Oh, and what's a hammer exactly??? :-D
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On 2004-04-28 18:11, TomC_MI wrote:
I guess in theory you should have better QC in a factory. I guess if manufactured housing fits the area why not. Personally I just can't see doing it myself. I suppose we could debate this one for years but I will let it go at that. Oh, and what's a hammer exactly??? :-D
Just wanted to test out this quote feature. I've been wondering how you guys do it, then I noticed the "Quote This" button and figured why not give it a whirl? Hehe.
building a house in a factory allows the use of jigs. Jigs keep panels square, studs straight, everything the same size. No need for problem solving abilitys, technical knowledge, etc. Hence less skilled labor.
Josh
[addsig]
Ok, so humor me here if you will. What is "affordable housing" in your area? What is the size and cost of the lot you put these on? Just an average....
They are not necessarily less expensives. It depends on the quality put into them as well as additional cost that come along with installing them.
There are many companies that are into these types of homes.....some are fair to good (not talking about quality) others border on the line of a double wide.
I have inspected a few of them and have yet to be impressed. In regards to appraisals, they typically will be slightly lower then your "stick built" house.
They are not built any better then a stick built in regards to material and quality. A good quality builder can easily build a better product in about the same time for about the same cost.......now profit and overhead is a different animal however comparing apples to apples.........the "stick house" can't be beat..........at least in my not so humble opinion. (smile)
NC_Yank
PS. Detroit has lost their butts to foreign car companies BECAUSE of quality.....thats not opinion....thats fact.
I agree with you that stick built is the way to go. I am glad to see someone is on the same page as myself. Quality and manufactured housing just isn't something I believe go together To each their own though....
Oh and another thing that sucks here in the Detroit are is the national building companies that seem to be dominating our market. It is killing small guys like me.....
Guys, guys; yes and you too girls. You are talking about two or three different things.
Stick built when done with qualified crews and having an edge in a proper architectual creation. One that considers the individual for whom the house is going to be built. Now that is the best. I know even with a hammer it was good. Of course the blackends on my fingers was a small price to pay. But then with the introduction of the 4 by 8 panel it began to change and a lot of the tech on site also changed. You began to duplicate little by little what can be done in a factory. Or indeed once you intruded into the craftsmans approach with the panel, it was a small step to induced rafters and away it goes. So bit by bit the modular comes closer and closer to the classic stickbuilt.
If your design is for a specific purpose or a specific person. the lady that freeks out and demands the bathing portion of the house be incorporated into the area of the bedroom, why you must stickbuilt. I go along with that a stand alone tub with shower tube attached is rather attractive. I do believe that the toilet and bidet should be closeted. But thats just my Puritain ansestors pulling my Chain, oops sorry Lord Crapper. The client who gets a change of heart and decides after erection of the fireplace she wants it at the other side. I remember The architect suggesting that I spin the house around. The client was not amused. Only cost her about $45,000. But we did it.
But you know the funny thing is, here I am involved with metal boxes ISO shipping containers and cutting things up with plasma cutters, and damn, if the skills do not have to be developed. I decide to lift a roof to install clerestory little windows way high at ceiling level. I have to figure out how to lift and support the roof and then cut it off the box. Then figure out a support system so that I can install the top of the box back on and have my windows. Now I have to cut and insert metal casements and damn I am doing hand labor again. What the hell is it some kind of vicious circle. Has the great God of Construction flipped out up there and having his/her fun with us?
Friends no matter what we do in the area of construction. You are going to have to have skills. Just learn a few on top of the ones you got. Cause we are going to need them. You should see what people want in interiors of just a bunch of metal boxes. I must say some of the buyers have some really great ideas. Relax guys and girls, the skills will always be wanted and if I will pay for them anyone will.
System building is an engineered factory manufactured house system using panels which are connected at the job site. They are cheaper to build because they are built in a factory,using less skilled workers. If the system is well engineered they are often better than stick built.
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On 2004-04-26 00:40, MichaelChandler wrote:
System building is an engineered factory manufactured house system using panels which are connected at the job site. They are cheaper to build because they are built in a factory,using less skilled workers. If the system is well engineered they are often better than stick built.
Hello Michael,
I mean no disrespect but isn't the statement you made somewhat contradictory, "less skilled workers....often built better." I have seen many types of manufactured housing, yet I haven't come across anything built nearly as well as the site built homes we do. I have never understood how something factory built and traveled via semi can be as good or better, so they say, than a site built home, especially in Michigan as terrible as the roads are *L* Perhaps I just have my step-fathers old school attitude as he has framed homes for over 45 years and has seen more than his share of the various types of building. ....
its the new way of being able to put up a huge housing development in a few months. get the base, pipes, electric etc,....assemble the house (with quality) like legos.
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On 2004-04-27 22:18, TomC_MI wrote:
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On 2004-04-26 00:40, MichaelChandler wrote:
System building is an engineered factory manufactured house system using panels which are connected at the job site. They are cheaper to build because they are built in a factory,using less skilled workers. If the system is well engineered they are often better than stick built.
Hello Michael,
I mean no disrespect but isn't the statement you made somewhat contradictory, "less skilled workers....often built better." I have seen many types of manufactured housing, yet I haven't come across anything built nearly as well as the site built homes we do. I have never understood how something factory built and traveled via semi can be as good or better, so they say, than a site built home, especially in Michigan as terrible as the roads are *L* Perhaps I just have my step-fathers old school attitude as he has framed homes for over 45 years and has seen more than his share of the various types of building. ....
Tom,When you build in a plant/factory you have better control over quality control. Michigan Detroit in particular has been the automotive manufacturing hub for many years. I started in construction during high school on a framing crew as a nail driver,when we actually used a hammer. Not knocking ground up/stick building because this is the way I build upper bracket houses. Most of the people who work for my sub-contractors earn $25.00 and up per hour. In most of these plants the workers earn between $8.00-$15.00 per hour.
I guess in theory you should have better QC in a factory. I guess if manufactured housing fits the area why not. Personally I just can't see doing it myself. I suppose we could debate this one for years
but I will let it go at that. Oh, and what's a hammer exactly??? :-D
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but I will let it go at that. Oh, and what's a hammer exactly??? :-D
On 2004-04-28 18:11, TomC_MI wrote:
I guess in theory you should have better QC in a factory. I guess if manufactured housing fits the area why not. Personally I just can't see doing it myself. I suppose we could debate this one for years
Just wanted to test out this quote feature. I've been wondering how you guys do it, then I noticed the "Quote This" button and figured why not give it a whirl? Hehe.
I like how you guys civilly discussed your topic.
building a house in a factory allows the use of jigs. Jigs keep panels square, studs straight, everything the same size. No need for problem solving abilitys, technical knowledge, etc. Hence less skilled labor.
Josh
[addsig]
Ok, so would anyone here live in a house built this way? :-?
Its an easy way to build affordable housing.
Ok, so humor me here if you will. What is "affordable housing" in your area? What is the size and cost of the lot you put these on? Just an average....
They are not necessarily less expensives. It depends on the quality put into them as well as additional cost that come along with installing them.
There are many companies that are into these types of homes.....some are fair to good (not talking about quality) others border on the line of a double wide.
I have inspected a few of them and have yet to be impressed. In regards to appraisals, they typically will be slightly lower then your "stick built" house.
They are not built any better then a stick built in regards to material and quality. A good quality builder can easily build a better product in about the same time for about the same cost.......now profit and overhead is a different animal however comparing apples to apples.........the "stick house" can't be beat..........at least in my not so humble opinion. (smile)
NC_Yank
PS. Detroit has lost their butts to foreign car companies BECAUSE of quality.....thats not opinion....thats fact.
[ Edited by NC_Yank on Date 05/03/2004 ]
NC Yank,
To each their own though....
I agree with you that stick built is the way to go. I am glad to see someone is on the same page as myself. Quality and manufactured housing just isn't something I believe go together
Oh and another thing that sucks here in the Detroit are is the national building companies that seem to be dominating our market. It is killing small guys like me.....
Are foreign cars built on site?
Guys, guys; yes and you too girls. You are talking about two or three different things.
Stick built when done with qualified crews and having an edge in a proper architectual creation. One that considers the individual for whom the house is going to be built. Now that is the best. I know even with a hammer it was good. Of course the blackends on my fingers was a small price to pay. But then with the introduction of the 4 by 8 panel it began to change and a lot of the tech on site also changed. You began to duplicate little by little what can be done in a factory. Or indeed once you intruded into the craftsmans approach with the panel, it was a small step to induced rafters and away it goes. So bit by bit the modular comes closer and closer to the classic stickbuilt.
If your design is for a specific purpose or a specific person. the lady that freeks out and demands the bathing portion of the house be incorporated into the area of the bedroom, why you must stickbuilt. I go along with that a stand alone tub with shower tube attached is rather attractive. I do believe that the toilet and bidet should be closeted. But thats just my Puritain ansestors pulling my Chain, oops sorry Lord Crapper. The client who gets a change of heart and decides after erection of the fireplace she wants it at the other side. I remember The architect suggesting that I spin the house around. The client was not amused. Only cost her about $45,000. But we did it.
But you know the funny thing is, here I am involved with metal boxes ISO shipping containers and cutting things up with plasma cutters, and damn, if the skills do not have to be developed. I decide to lift a roof to install clerestory little windows way high at ceiling level. I have to figure out how to lift and support the roof and then cut it off the box. Then figure out a support system so that I can install the top of the box back on and have my windows. Now I have to cut and insert metal casements and damn I am doing hand labor again. What the hell is it some kind of vicious circle. Has the great God of Construction flipped out up there and having his/her fun with us?
Friends no matter what we do in the area of construction. You are going to have to have skills. Just learn a few on top of the ones you got. Cause we are going to need them. You should see what people want in interiors of just a bunch of metal boxes. I must say some of the buyers have some really great ideas. Relax guys and girls, the skills will always be wanted and if I will pay for them anyone will.
Cheers, yes I hit my thumb again Lucius